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The latest episode of CHD.TV’s “Against the Wind,” with host Dr. Paul Thomas, featured an interview with Pamela Popper, Ph.D., founder and president of Wellness Forum Health and author of “COVID Operation: What Happened, Why It Happened, and What’s Next.”

In the second part of the show, Christopher Shaw, Ph.D., neuroscientist, professor at the University of British Columbia and author, discussed concerns about aluminum in vaccines, the COVID mRNA vaccines for children and how he’s hopeful people will rise up.

Popper, who described the government response to COVID as “the crime of the century,” discussed propaganda, legal strategy, advice for employers and how a striking number of medical professionals are willing to comply with what she refers to as “escalating medical tyranny.”

“We’ve seen a remarkable willingness of many doctors to go along with this narrative,” Popper said. “It’s scary how many have bought into it.”

Popper offered legal advice to employers and healthcare institutions that discriminate against their unvaccinated workers. “When this is over, the lawsuits are going to go on forever. This is is going to be like Nazi hunting,” Popper said.

Thomas then shifted the conversation to Shaw who addressed aluminum as a toxic adjuvant in vaccines. He said scientists he knows at GlaxoSmithKline told him they are aware of alternatives to aluminum adjuvants, but won’t use them because of the expense.

Thomas asked Shaw if we should keep injecting children with vaccines that contain aluminum. “No, I don’t think we should,” Shaw said.

On the COVID vaccines, Shaw said, “We’re beginning to see that the rate of injury in 12- to 17-year-olds so far is somewhere between five to 20 times higher for mRNA vaccines than it is for the COVID disease itself.”

At the end of the show, Thomas chatted with Bernadette Pajer, public policy director of Informed Choice WA, who shared two upcoming medical freedom events:

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Tune in every Wednesday at 10:30 a.m. PT / 1:30 p.m. ET for a new episode of “Against the Wind” on CHD.TV.

Next up: On Oct. 13, Thomas will interview MIT senior research scientist Stephanie Seneff, Ph.D., and medical research journalist Neil Z. Miller about emerging scientific data on COVID-19 mRNA therapies, and the warning and safety concerns for pregnant women and children.

“Against the Wind” is hosted by Dr. Paul Thomas, a Portland, Oregon pediatrician and author of “The Vaccine-Friendly Plan.” Each show features interviews with doctors and scientists who are bringing light to vital studies not being covered by the media, and the persecution they face for standing up for medical freedom.